I saw this in a bulletin and thought I’d pass it along…
How to Terminate Your Social Security Number
Interesting call to the Social Security Administration
So I’ve been contemplating turning in my social security number, in order to stop being a Federal United States employee, so I called the SSA today just to see what they would say.
SSA: Hello this is Dorothy, how may I help you?
ME: Hello Dorothy, I recently learned that Social Security is a voluntary insurance program, and that I may terminate my SS number at any time and get out of it, my question is, do I get all of my money back that I payed in when I turn in my number?
SSA: (pissy) No
ME: So I’d probably have to file suit for that?
ME: one more question, is there a SSA form that I fill out to cancel my number?
SSA: hold on let me check…
ME: Im here
SSA: we dont have a form for that, you would have to send in a letter and your card.
(much nicer attitude for some reason)
ME: O.K., I was surprised to find out it was voluntary, I always thought it was mandatory to have a number.
SSA: Are you in the United States
ME: do you mean in the United States as defined as the District of Columbia, or do you just mean one of the states?
SSA: one of the states (no hesitation or surprise in her voice)
ME: oh, one of the states
SSA: yeah it actually is mandatory to have one if your not paying into another pension program to the federal or state government.
ME: Oh, you mean if Im a state or Federal Employee?
ME: Oh, ok, yeah, I’m not a State or Federal employee, ok, thanks for your time.
For anyone else interested in doing so, tthe SSA can be reached at 1-800-772-1213.
Edward, ID Number DELTED, my SSA customer service rep looked into the termination section of their manual to verify the procedure for terminating my social security number.
He gave me the office address and number of my local office and told me to send it in with a letter describing the fact that I wish to terminate my number as it is voluntary.
He asked why I wish to terminate my number and I stated that I wished to stop contibuting to the program voluntarily.
“Well,” he said, “You can just tell your employer to stop withholding the money from your paycheck. That way you can still get the benefits that you have paid into so far.”
I explained to him that I tried to do so with my employer, but my employer believes that he is required to continue withholdings.
He then went on to say that if I did terminate my social security number through the process he described that I would receive a letter stating that I have terminated the number and withholdings can terminate as well.
Brilliant!!!! Absolutely brilliant.
[link to famguardian.org]
Payroll Withholding Form-Short Form Instructions…
[link to www.sedm.org]
How to Open a Bank Account with NO SSN
I did a google search, and came across this MOST USEFUL INFORMATION regarding banking with NO SSN! The only way this has ANY MEANING WHATSOEVER, IS IF WE GET OUT THERE AND USE THIS INFORMATION FOLKS! And be sure to fill us in on how it’s working out there on the front lines! I am going to try this as soon as possible!
Opening a Bank Account Without a SSN Compliments of
Craig Burkholder, Harrisonburg, VA
Hi, Just wanted to drop you a line to let you know about a recent small victory in the no-SSN corner.
I recently tried to open a bank account with my local bank , and when they asked for a SSN, I informed them that I didn’t have one. They flatly refused and said that without a SSN that they absolutely could NOT open an account of any kind. I then proceeded thus to convince them that they were in the wrong: 1) I informed them that I had terminated my SSN legally in accordance with 20 CFR 3 A7 404.1905 and 2) I informed them that the bank could not be held legally responsible by anyone for failing to obtain a SSN from me pursuant to 31 CFR 103.34(a)(1) and 3) I informed them that under the Internal Revenue Code Section 6041, that they were not even required to provide any taxpayer identification numbers on the Form 1099 that they file with the IRS at the end of the year, and 4) I informed them that pursuant to 26 CFR 301.6109-1(c) that they were under no legal obligation to obtain a SSN from me, and 5) I informed them that 42 USC 408 makes it a FELONY to use threat, duress, or coercion to try to force a person by fear or deceit to provide his SSN in an unlawful manner. After a brief meeting with the banks controller and legal counsel, I received a phone call stating that I would be allowed to open a checking account. Please pass this information along to your readers, in hopes that it may help someone else who may find themselves in this situation.
Some questions that arise:
What happens to that other voluntary program that uses your SSN? You know income taxes…
And what happens to your old SSN that people already have; like your employer or bank? What happens when they file IRS related items with that number?
Since the SSN is what is used to collect income taxes, how could the Feds track and collect taxes without it?